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	<title>Comments on: SHOULD HEALTH INSURANCE COVER PRIMARY AND PREVENTIVE CARE?</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the analogy to auto insurance is a good comparison. Car insurance is in place primarily to handle collisions. State Farm does not care if your car&#039;s engine stops working or if you need a new transmission. They only care if you crash your car. No wonder they don&#039;t cover preventive maintenance.

I think you could liken health insurance more to a combination of your State Farm policy and your manufacturer&#039;s warranty. Now of course your warranty does not cover gasoline, but there are a lot of auto manufacturers who do cover the cost of scheduled maintenance for, let&#039;s say, 30,000 miles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the analogy to auto insurance is a good comparison. Car insurance is in place primarily to handle collisions. State Farm does not care if your car&#8217;s engine stops working or if you need a new transmission. They only care if you crash your car. No wonder they don&#8217;t cover preventive maintenance.</p>
<p>I think you could liken health insurance more to a combination of your State Farm policy and your manufacturer&#8217;s warranty. Now of course your warranty does not cover gasoline, but there are a lot of auto manufacturers who do cover the cost of scheduled maintenance for, let&#8217;s say, 30,000 miles.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 16:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for the largest private health insurance company in America, so I know at least a thing or two about this.

In regard to high-deductible health plans, they definitely have their place. (I don&#039;t think they&#039;re right for me, but they can be good for people who are healthier and/or wealthier.) But our HDHPs have 100% coverage for preventive care. You can debate the merits of that if you want.

But the value that a lot of our members find is that they get huge discounts for using in-network providers. As you point out, the doctor charges 250% of what he will actually collect...because the insurer requires him to accept less. But what if there were no insurer requiring that? Then YOU would get stuck with the full charge. This happens to uninsured people all the time. How would your proposal resolve that?

Also, one of the more important things we do as a company is to enforce standards of care. But if insurance companies excluded primary and preventive care coverage altogether, then there would be no enforcement and doctors could just do whatever they wanted (and whatever they wanted to charge for). I have talked to enough patients to know that they trust their doctors implicitly...sometimes at their own peril. And patients rarely understand standards of care. So where would we find the checks and balances? How would we measure quality? etc. etc. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for the largest private health insurance company in America, so I know at least a thing or two about this.</p>
<p>In regard to high-deductible health plans, they definitely have their place. (I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re right for me, but they can be good for people who are healthier and/or wealthier.) But our HDHPs have 100% coverage for preventive care. You can debate the merits of that if you want.</p>
<p>But the value that a lot of our members find is that they get huge discounts for using in-network providers. As you point out, the doctor charges 250% of what he will actually collect&#8230;because the insurer requires him to accept less. But what if there were no insurer requiring that? Then YOU would get stuck with the full charge. This happens to uninsured people all the time. How would your proposal resolve that?</p>
<p>Also, one of the more important things we do as a company is to enforce standards of care. But if insurance companies excluded primary and preventive care coverage altogether, then there would be no enforcement and doctors could just do whatever they wanted (and whatever they wanted to charge for). I have talked to enough patients to know that they trust their doctors implicitly&#8230;sometimes at their own peril. And patients rarely understand standards of care. So where would we find the checks and balances? How would we measure quality? etc. etc. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Crowder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Crowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is; only the patient should decide whether they want a plan that covers preventive care or not, or whether they have a deductible or not, etc..  Admittedly, it will be more expensive but if that is what he or she feels he or she wants then let him or her buy it.  I’ve seen people pay $50 more a month in premium to avoid having an up an up-front $500 deductible.   I explain the math to him but it doesn’t matter.  It doesn’t make financial sense to me but it is what that person felt like they needed, maybe it’s the emotional aspect of having first dollar coverage, maybe it’s a family members life was saved with an early diagnosis caught during a routine physical and he doesn’t want to have the cost prevent him from getting the care, maybe he knows he’ll never have $500.00 at one time if something happens.   It should be his choice.  
Eventually the market will work all of this out, but the market can’t and won’t until we get the patient buying either the care or coverage as an individual.    That might even mean an individual voluntarily joins an association at his, church, or in his neighborhood, whatever, as long as he is making the choice.  The patient needs to evaluate the services covered, who are the physicians, hospitals, (network) delivering the care, the quality of the service being provided, the amount of cost sharing involved and the premium; then make their own decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is; only the patient should decide whether they want a plan that covers preventive care or not, or whether they have a deductible or not, etc..  Admittedly, it will be more expensive but if that is what he or she feels he or she wants then let him or her buy it.  I’ve seen people pay $50 more a month in premium to avoid having an up an up-front $500 deductible.   I explain the math to him but it doesn’t matter.  It doesn’t make financial sense to me but it is what that person felt like they needed, maybe it’s the emotional aspect of having first dollar coverage, maybe it’s a family members life was saved with an early diagnosis caught during a routine physical and he doesn’t want to have the cost prevent him from getting the care, maybe he knows he’ll never have $500.00 at one time if something happens.   It should be his choice.<br />
Eventually the market will work all of this out, but the market can’t and won’t until we get the patient buying either the care or coverage as an individual.    That might even mean an individual voluntarily joins an association at his, church, or in his neighborhood, whatever, as long as he is making the choice.  The patient needs to evaluate the services covered, who are the physicians, hospitals, (network) delivering the care, the quality of the service being provided, the amount of cost sharing involved and the premium; then make their own decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Hyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This piece (http://www.futureofcapitalism.com/2010/01/the-globe-on-the-doctor-shortage )ran on Ira Stoll&#039;s &quot;Future of Capitalism&quot; site on 19 Jan. I think Mr. Stoll&#039;s argument is irrefutable. But, then, I would.

I thought you might want to mention it to your readers. 

I especially enjoyed his pointing out the moronic argument made by the Boston Globe who thinks we shouldn&#039;t let highly-skilled foreigners immigrate to the U.S.

Why? Because it wouldn&#039;t be fair to their native lands. (That part they state explicitly).

But, Why? Because, um, well, the talents and skills of people are the property of whatever state they happen to be born in. It wouldn&#039;t be fair to that state to let their property just wander away, now would it? (This part they only imply; but, what else could it possibly mean?)

We had a similar problem 150 years ago. We solved it with the Fugitive Slave Act. Valuable cotton-pickers had to be returned to their legal owners forthwith. 

The Globe wants us to take the same attitude today. Sort of a professional courtesy owed by one slave-master to another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece (<a href="http://www.futureofcapitalism.com/2010/01/the-globe-on-the-doctor-shortage" rel="nofollow">http://www.futureofcapitalism.com/2010/01/the-globe-on-the-doctor-shortage</a> )ran on Ira Stoll&#8217;s &#8220;Future of Capitalism&#8221; site on 19 Jan. I think Mr. Stoll&#8217;s argument is irrefutable. But, then, I would.</p>
<p>I thought you might want to mention it to your readers. </p>
<p>I especially enjoyed his pointing out the moronic argument made by the Boston Globe who thinks we shouldn&#8217;t let highly-skilled foreigners immigrate to the U.S.</p>
<p>Why? Because it wouldn&#8217;t be fair to their native lands. (That part they state explicitly).</p>
<p>But, Why? Because, um, well, the talents and skills of people are the property of whatever state they happen to be born in. It wouldn&#8217;t be fair to that state to let their property just wander away, now would it? (This part they only imply; but, what else could it possibly mean?)</p>
<p>We had a similar problem 150 years ago. We solved it with the Fugitive Slave Act. Valuable cotton-pickers had to be returned to their legal owners forthwith. </p>
<p>The Globe wants us to take the same attitude today. Sort of a professional courtesy owed by one slave-master to another.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Hyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve&#039;s reply: If you sign up for my newsletter, you&#039;ll get the articles by email which you can forward. Many thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve&#8217;s reply: If you sign up for my newsletter, you&#8217;ll get the articles by email which you can forward. Many thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: John Sweeney</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the option to email your articles to friends?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the option to email your articles to friends?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve&#039;s reply: That&#039;s certainly true for existing health insurance plans that define consumer out-of-pocket expenses just in terms of deductibles, coinsurance, and co-pays. What I&#039;m talking about is health insurance that doesn&#039;t cover normally affordable primary and preventive care AT ALL. In other words, it would be a benefit exclusion, not subject to any deductibles. 

As for big-ticket covered items like angiograms, insurers should be allowed to provide other kinds of incentives for consumers so they always seek the lowest priced provider with acceptable quality. For example, if angiograms of appropriate quality were priced in a range from, say, $5,000 to $15,000, and the insurer&#039;s average payment has been $12,000, the insurer might offer to share any savings below $12,000 with the patient. Thus, the consumer who obtains the $5000 procedure might get a check (or HSA contribution) from the insurer for $3,500, or half the $7,000 savings. Thus, the consumer makes out, the insurer becomes more profitable and/or competitive, and the most competitive provider succeeds in gaining market share.

My book (Cured! The Insider&#039;s Handbook of Health Care Reform) is now available for preview online at Google Books. If you&#039;re interested in a more detailed example of how such positive incentives could bring down health care costs, I invite you to read the free book excerpt at http://books.google.com/books?id=R1wWvnjCswcC&amp;lpg=PA6&amp;ots=XBxOWjg77C&amp;dq=Insurance%20coverage%20for%20primary%20and%20preventive%20care%20saves%20money%20by%20preventing%20expensive%20diseases%20stephen%20hyde&amp;pg=PA389#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve&#8217;s reply: That&#8217;s certainly true for existing health insurance plans that define consumer out-of-pocket expenses just in terms of deductibles, coinsurance, and co-pays. What I&#8217;m talking about is health insurance that doesn&#8217;t cover normally affordable primary and preventive care AT ALL. In other words, it would be a benefit exclusion, not subject to any deductibles. </p>
<p>As for big-ticket covered items like angiograms, insurers should be allowed to provide other kinds of incentives for consumers so they always seek the lowest priced provider with acceptable quality. For example, if angiograms of appropriate quality were priced in a range from, say, $5,000 to $15,000, and the insurer&#8217;s average payment has been $12,000, the insurer might offer to share any savings below $12,000 with the patient. Thus, the consumer who obtains the $5000 procedure might get a check (or HSA contribution) from the insurer for $3,500, or half the $7,000 savings. Thus, the consumer makes out, the insurer becomes more profitable and/or competitive, and the most competitive provider succeeds in gaining market share.</p>
<p>My book (Cured! The Insider&#8217;s Handbook of Health Care Reform) is now available for preview online at Google Books. If you&#8217;re interested in a more detailed example of how such positive incentives could bring down health care costs, I invite you to read the free book excerpt at <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=R1wWvnjCswcC&#038;lpg=PA6&#038;ots=XBxOWjg77C&#038;dq=Insurance%20coverage%20for%20primary%20and%20preventive%20care%20saves%20money%20by%20preventing%20expensive%20diseases%20stephen%20hyde&#038;pg=PA389#v=onepage&#038;q=&#038;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=R1wWvnjCswcC&#038;lpg=PA6&#038;ots=XBxOWjg77C&#038;dq=Insurance%20coverage%20for%20primary%20and%20preventive%20care%20saves%20money%20by%20preventing%20expensive%20diseases%20stephen%20hyde&#038;pg=PA389#v=onepage&#038;q=&#038;f=false</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Dipner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Dipner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The logic of your article is indisputable. However, we need to consider the fact that some procedures are very expensive (perhaps they shouldn&#039;t be so expensive but they are) while they are far from catastrophic care. For example, a single diagnostic angiogram often used in the process of high blood pressure care will completely consume the deductible on even most high deductible plans.

Once that deductible is reached, all the other medical costs for the year (the gas and oil costs) get paid by the insurance. This can lead to abuse and waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The logic of your article is indisputable. However, we need to consider the fact that some procedures are very expensive (perhaps they shouldn&#8217;t be so expensive but they are) while they are far from catastrophic care. For example, a single diagnostic angiogram often used in the process of high blood pressure care will completely consume the deductible on even most high deductible plans.</p>
<p>Once that deductible is reached, all the other medical costs for the year (the gas and oil costs) get paid by the insurance. This can lead to abuse and waste.</p>
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